{"id":23614,"date":"2025-04-15T12:15:14","date_gmt":"2025-04-15T10:15:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.orticolario.it\/?page_id=23614"},"modified":"2025-04-30T09:58:13","modified_gmt":"2025-04-30T07:58:13","slug":"marco-fraschini","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.orticolario.it\/en\/marco-fraschini\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview with Marco Fraschini"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-page\" data-elementor-id=\"23614\" class=\"elementor elementor-23614 elementor-23528\" data-elementor-post-type=\"page\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-8dcf138 e-con-full e-flex e-con e-parent\" data-id=\"8dcf138\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-e-type=\"container\">\n\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-e38b13b e-con-full e-flex elementor-invisible e-con e-child\" data-id=\"e38b13b\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-e-type=\"container\" 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elementor-widget elementor-widget-spacer\" data-id=\"f56e1d6\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"spacer.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-spacer\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-spacer-inner\"><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-d9423f5 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"d9423f5\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h2>1 _ Spazio Italiana Terricci &#8220;Il giardino ritrovato&#8221;<\/h2>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-2b2d4f7 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"2b2d4f7\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h3>A few questions to <span class=\"TextRun SCXW31081445 BCX0\" lang=\"IT-IT\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW31081445 BCX0\">Marco Fraschini <\/span><\/span><\/h3>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-e0c0234 elementor-widget elementor-widget-spacer\" data-id=\"e0c0234\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"spacer.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-spacer\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-spacer-inner\"><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-f4fc78c elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"f4fc78c\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><strong>Let\u2019s talk about Genesis\u2014how did your story begin?<\/strong><\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"161\" data-end=\"419\">I was born in Colico on the shores of Lake Como in August 1943, in the midst of wartime. In Colico I began to appreciate the woods and meadows (then largely cultivated), surrounding the small villages nestled on the slopes of Mount Legnone.<\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"421\" data-end=\"617\">My love for greenery, blooming meadows, and the landscapes of stone alpine pastures led me to<strong> draw what I saw, turning these two passions \u2013 drawing and nature\u2013 into the foundation of my story.<\/strong><\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"619\" data-end=\"857\">After <strong>graduating in architecture<\/strong>, my professional life (which lasted more than fifty years) developed without ever forgetting those early inclinations, with colorful drawings \u2013 long before renders \u2013 and at least one tree in every project.<\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"859\" data-end=\"1044\">As a child, I lived in Milan, on the fifth floor: all around were empty fields, abandoned by agriculture and covered with rubble, later replaced by construction sites as Milan expanded.<\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"1046\" data-end=\"1494\">My connection with nature began with the &#8220;large pots&#8221; \u2013 large at least to me, being only six at the time \u2013 on the balcony of my room. I didn\u2019t plant the usual flowers in those pots, but <strong>tried to grow small \u201cforests\u201d or parks<\/strong>, selecting wild herbs \u2013 what others called weeds \u2013 best suited for the role. I would gather their first shoots in spring, from the edges of the now-abandoned meadows in my suburban area, and transplant them with great care.<\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"1496\" data-end=\"1781\">They were annual herbs, but when they grew, to me they looked like miniature trees. Then one day I planted a tree \u2013 I collected the seeds from the street \u2013 and anxiously waited for spring. The tree sprouted and, season after season, grew taller, and I planted new friends alongside it.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-25f6ab6 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"25f6ab6\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><strong><span class=\"TextRun Underlined SCXW24011687 BCX4\" lang=\"IT-IT\" xml:lang=\"IT-IT\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW24011687 BCX4\">How does nature inspire your projects and lifestyle?<\/span><\/span> <\/strong><\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"84\" data-end=\"359\">If I had to choose between a museum and a park or forest, I would choose\u2014if I couldn&#8217;t visit both\u2014the latter, even though Ruskin believed that only the charm of great ancient architecture can make us forget, in the hearts of our cities, the trees and greenery we&#8217;ve lost.<\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"361\" data-end=\"665\">It\u2019s obvious, then, that the natural component of any landscape has always been essential to me. That\u2019s why I\u2019m always surprised to see people sweeping away leaves as if they were mere litter, when in fact leaves are nature\u2019s \u201cconfetti,\u201d trying to reclaim and soften the human work that has altered it.<\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"667\" data-end=\"975\">In every structure I built, I always made room for greenery on every balcony and, when possible, even on every window. If planting a few flowers is simple and accessible, many people will do it gladly. But if it becomes complicated, most will give up\u2014leaving the fa\u00e7ades of our homes ever more bare and grey.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-146cddf elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"146cddf\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><strong data-start=\"1939\" data-end=\"2053\">How do you imagine your \u201cmental landscape\u201d when you create? Are there real or imaginary places that guide you?<\/strong><\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"2836\" data-end=\"3058\">In my mind, there is a series of real landscapes from my youth and my first major travels. Over time, they\u2019ve settled and perhaps <strong>transformed into fantastical landscapes, but I still compare everything I see with them.<\/strong><\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"3060\" data-end=\"3523\">Once at the cinema, I was stunned and fascinated by the setting of a film \u2013 <strong>Hitchcock\u2019s <em data-start=\"3148\" data-end=\"3172\">The Trouble with Harry<\/em> <\/strong>\u2013 which told the story of a boy who roamed woods and meadows during a fantastic autumn. That was over seventy years ago, but those images almost shaped my life. Later, traveling across Italy and Europe, I discovered many new landscapes \u2013 ones I couldn\u2019t live in, but could stay in for a few days, just enough to know them and belong to them a little.<\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"3525\" data-end=\"3890\">My memories are like a great mosaic:<strong> from the enchanted parks of Denmark to the endless forests between lakes and fjords in Norway and Sweden<\/strong>, where at sea level you find the same flowers that bloom at 2000 meters in the Alps; from the oak woods of the great Balkan plain to the still-wild forests of its mountains, thick with dark conifers and magical undergrowth.<\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"3892\" data-end=\"4190\">Then with a few kilometers\u2019 shift southward, I encountered the explosion of <strong>color of the south<\/strong> \u2013 flowers, trees, and sun-ripened fruit aromas that, for us, exist only in greenhouses. I\u2019ve seen many lakes bigger than ours (Lake Como) and famous in their own countries, but none quite like the Lario.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-95232f5 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"95232f5\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><span class=\"TextRun Underlined SCXW81534419 BCX4\" lang=\"IT-IT\" xml:lang=\"IT-IT\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW81534419 BCX4\"><strong>Who are the people who have most inspired you artistically and professionally?<\/strong> <\/span><\/span><\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"4278\" data-end=\"4352\">It may sound trivial, but in the beginning, there were<strong> two family members.<\/strong><\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"4354\" data-end=\"4635\">My grandfather Giacomo, born in 1869, who left the vineyards of Oltrep\u00f2 and spent his entire working life at Comit in Piazza della Scala from its founding day. In the long retirement that followed \u2013 he died at 102 \u2013 he devoted himself to gardening and tending the vegetable garden.<\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"4637\" data-end=\"4836\">The second was my mother, a Latin teacher, who taught me the exact names of flowers she photographed with undeniable skill and later classified; all flowers and plants bear their first name in Latin.<\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"4838\" data-end=\"5135\">With her, I experienced my first blooms. Then, when I started my professional journey, I found confirmation of some of my (sometimes contested) choices in the works of the <strong>famous architect Pietro Porcinai,<\/strong> who used local trees without disrupting the landscape with exotic and out-of-place species.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-7c4fb4e elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"7c4fb4e\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><strong><span class=\"TextRun Underlined SCXW204750763 BCX4\" lang=\"IT-IT\" xml:lang=\"IT-IT\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW204750763 BCX4\">What does Avant gardening mean to you?<\/span><\/span> <\/strong><\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"5185\" data-end=\"5545\">In my very personal opinion, Avant gardening is a <strong>lifestyle<\/strong>, not just a trend. It\u2019s characterized by \u201c<strong>care<\/strong>,\u201d a key element in both the creation and maintenance of any garden or green space. Added to this is the desire to<strong> live beauty in its natural form<\/strong> \u2013 a beauty that can be shaped and created, as still happens in great historic gardens.<\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"5547\" data-end=\"5742\">Avant gardening is about always having a different way of seeing things, about knowing how to improve green spaces. Practicing Avant gardening requires a true culture of landscape and nature.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-86b0409 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"86b0409\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><strong>How do you practice the search for wonder?<\/strong><\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"84\" data-end=\"292\">Wonder, already recognized by Aristotle as the emotion at the origin of philosophy, is one of the most essential elements of life.<br data-start=\"218\" data-end=\"221\" \/><strong>A practice that is both an escape from reality and an enrichment of it.<\/strong><\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"294\" data-end=\"506\">Today, in a world increasingly flattened and convinced it knows and understands everything, wonder is becoming <strong>an emotion at risk of extinction<\/strong>\u2014yet it is crucial to keep alive people\u2019s sense of awe and curiosity.<\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"508\" data-end=\"795\">I believe the best way to cultivate wonder is through <strong>observation<\/strong>.<br data-start=\"574\" data-end=\"577\" \/>We should strive to be amazed every single day.<br data-start=\"624\" data-end=\"627\" \/>And when observing the world isn\u2019t enough, there\u2019s another powerful exercise: <strong>sharing<\/strong>. Telling others what has amazed us\u2014and reliving, together, that very same emotion.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-ff0d605 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"ff0d605\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><strong>What emotion or feeling do you hope people experience when engaging with your work?<\/strong><\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"126\" data-end=\"232\">My greatest fear is that people might walk past my creations without looking, without saying a word.<\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"234\" data-end=\"474\">I don\u2019t want to amaze at all costs, but I always hope it\u2019s clear that the<strong> green design is neither secondary nor obvious<\/strong>.<br data-start=\"354\" data-end=\"357\" \/>In the work I usually do, <strong>time<\/strong> is an important factor: the seasons can give the garden a different meaning each time.<\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"476\" data-end=\"703\">I wrote an essay titled <em data-start=\"500\" data-end=\"528\">&#8220;Un giardino per tutte le stagioni&#8221;<\/em> because, all too often, people become passionate about gardens and gardening only in spring. Then vacations, work, and school make them forget about it\u2014until the next spring.<\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"705\" data-end=\"860\">I hope this won\u2019t be the case for the gardens I\u2019ve created and \u201cplanted,\u201d because I want<strong> the wonder of that first day to return each year, in every season<\/strong>.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-0eb2d52 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"0eb2d52\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><strong data-start=\"4412\" data-end=\"4493\">Five words that you closely associate with the concept of the Garden of Eden<\/strong><\/p><p>He planted, in the East, delightful trees, a river, naked bodies.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-1cde908 elementor-widget elementor-widget-spacer\" data-id=\"1cde908\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"spacer.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-spacer\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-spacer-inner\"><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-395bff8 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"395bff8\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Bio<\/h3>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-484f5a9 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"484f5a9\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"\" data-start=\"73\" data-end=\"329\">Marco Fraschini, architect, born in 1943.<br data-start=\"118\" data-end=\"121\" \/>Author of the book <em data-start=\"140\" data-end=\"157\">Progetti di Giardini<\/em> and contributor to <em data-start=\"177\" data-end=\"192\">Villegiardini<\/em>, throughout his career he has served as a public administrator, municipal technician, and a key figure in major urban transformations.<\/p><p class=\"\" data-start=\"331\" data-end=\"551\">He is currently the technical director of Urges Srl, through which he continues his commitment to creating spaces where architecture and landscape are seamlessly integrated.<br data-start=\"504\" data-end=\"507\" \/>A lifelong enthusiast of gardens and nature.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-c571788 elementor-hidden-desktop elementor-hidden-tablet elementor-widget 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