{"id":34863,"date":"2026-05-27T11:42:02","date_gmt":"2026-05-27T09:42:02","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.orticolario.it\/intervista-a-roberto-ducoli\/"},"modified":"2026-06-16T01:18:23","modified_gmt":"2026-06-15T23:18:23","slug":"intervista-a-roberto-ducoli","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.orticolario.it\/en\/intervista-a-roberto-ducoli\/","title":{"rendered":"Intervista a Roberto Ducoli"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-page\" data-elementor-id=\"34863\" class=\"elementor elementor-34863 elementor-33823\" data-elementor-post-type=\"page\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-c084e9e e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-parent\" data-id=\"c084e9e\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-e-type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-254b5eb elementor-widget elementor-widget-button\" data-id=\"254b5eb\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" 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elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"0edaa38\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Apnea, a project by\n<\/h3>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-ce2a558 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"ce2a558\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h1 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Roberto Ducoli<\/h1>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-4e352f4 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"4e352f4\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div 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3&quot;,&quot;_id&quot;:&quot;be0e4ab&quot;}],&quot;slides_to_show&quot;:&quot;1&quot;,&quot;slides_to_show_tablet&quot;:&quot;1&quot;,&quot;slides_to_show_mobile&quot;:&quot;1&quot;,&quot;speed&quot;:500,&quot;arrows&quot;:&quot;yes&quot;,&quot;pagination&quot;:&quot;bullets&quot;,&quot;image_spacing_custom&quot;:{&quot;unit&quot;:&quot;px&quot;,&quot;size&quot;:10,&quot;sizes&quot;:[]},&quot;image_spacing_custom_tablet&quot;:{&quot;unit&quot;:&quot;px&quot;,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;sizes&quot;:[]},&quot;image_spacing_custom_mobile&quot;:{&quot;unit&quot;:&quot;px&quot;,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;sizes&quot;:[]}}\" data-widget_type=\"nested-carousel.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-n-carousel swiper\" role=\"region\" aria-roledescription=\"carousel\" aria-label=\"Carosello\" dir=\"ltr\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"swiper-wrapper\" aria-live=\"polite\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"swiper-slide\" data-slide=\"1\" role=\"group\" aria-roledescription=\"slide\" aria-label=\"1 of 3\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-ba8b626 e-con-full e-flex e-con e-child\" data-id=\"ba8b626\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-e-type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-1e00504 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"1e00504\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><strong>How did your story begin?<\/strong><br\/>The story of <em>Il papavero blu <\/em>was born from the encounter between two complementary visions: imagination and matter, line and earth. <br>We combine a free graphic language, at times surreal, traversed by zoomorphic forms and instinctive suggestions, with a tangible expertise in the care and construction of natural space. <br>Everything begins with a drawing, with a vision that opens up unexpected possibilities and seeks to give form to what remains suspended between dream and nature. <br>The aspiration that drives our work is \u201clogotherapy,\u201d a free-flowing dialogue that takes shape and meaning when art and technique come into relation.<\/p><p><strong>Who are the people who have most inspired you artistically and professionally?<\/strong><br><span class=\"TextRun SCXW182495531 BCX0\" lang=\"IT-IT\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW182495531 BCX0\">In the artistic field, I have been deeply inspired by several contemporary artists and others beyond that sphere. Among them, Ericailcane stands out: his surreal and symbol-rich style struck me for his ability to tell stories through anthropomorphic animals and visionary atmospheres. Another major influence is Marco Mazzoni, whose meticulous illustrations, often created with colored pencils, build worlds suspended between nature, myth, and visual delicacy.  <\/span><\/span><span class=\"LineBreakBlob BlobObject DragDrop SCXW182495531 BCX0\"><span class=\"SCXW182495531 BCX0\"> <\/span><br class=\"SCXW182495531 BCX0\"><\/span><span class=\"TextRun SCXW182495531 BCX0\" lang=\"IT-IT\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW182495531 BCX0\">Matteo Masini is also a source of inspiration for me, for his personal approach to drawing and visual storytelling. Finally, I cannot fail to mention Hayao Miyazaki, the master of Japanese animation, who is able to create poetic worlds in which fantasy, nature, and emotion are deeply intertwined. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"LineBreakBlob BlobObject DragDrop SCXW182495531 BCX0\"><span class=\"SCXW182495531 BCX0\"> <\/span><br class=\"SCXW182495531 BCX0\"><\/span><span class=\"TextRun SCXW182495531 BCX0\" lang=\"IT-IT\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW182495531 BCX0\">These artists, despite their different languages, share the ability to transform imagination into powerful images, shaping and stimulating the way I think about and create art.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"swiper-slide\" data-slide=\"2\" role=\"group\" aria-roledescription=\"slide\" aria-label=\"2 of 3\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-c7a732c e-con-full e-flex e-con e-child\" data-id=\"c7a732c\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-e-type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-c5af60c elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"c5af60c\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">How does nature inspire your projects and lifestyle? <\/span><\/b> <span data-ccp-props=\"{}\"> <br><\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">For us, nature is not merely a source of aesthetic inspiration, but a guiding principle. It is a complex, harmonious and imperfect system that teaches us balance, patience, and perpetual transformation. <\/span> <br><span data-contrast=\"auto\">By observing the growth of a plant, the adaptation of a root, or the shape of a branch shaped by the wind, we understand that every element responds to a deep necessity. This awareness guides the way we design: we do not impose forms, but instead seek to listen to the place, its rhythms, and its identity. <\/span> <br><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Nature inspires our formal language through organic structures, zoomorphic references, and dynamics of growth and metamorphosis. At the same time, it appeals to our sense of aesthetics and to the care we bring to what we create. <\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\"> <\/span><\/p><p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Is there a recurring dream\u2014or idea\u2014that returns throughout your work?<\/span><\/b> <span data-ccp-props=\"{}\"> <br><\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\"><em>The desire to astonish and, at the same time, to be astonished<\/em> is the idea that consistently recurs in our work.<\/span> <br><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Our research emerges from a dimension that could be described as dreamlike and instinctive, a creative drive that moves beyond the ordinary and does not allow itself to be constrained by \u201cratio\u201d, reminding us that imagination can still generate wonder.<\/span> <br><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Our recurring dream is to create works that open passages, that interrupt the habits of the gaze. Each project is conceived as an experience that can be traversed and inhabited, in which the viewer can enter without feeling led toward a single interpretation. We believe that art should not impose itself, nor assert itself as an absolute truth. On the contrary, it must leave space\u2014space for doubt, for projection, for the viewer\u2019s personal memory.    <\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\"> <\/span><\/p><p> <\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"swiper-slide\" data-slide=\"3\" role=\"group\" aria-roledescription=\"slide\" aria-label=\"3 of 3\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-00a93c0 e-con-full e-flex e-con e-child\" data-id=\"00a93c0\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-e-type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-30b8b81 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"30b8b81\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><strong>Is there a fictional or fantastical scenario that reflects your artistic imagination?<\/strong> <br>Rather than a fantastical scenario, it is a suspended place\u2014an inner, personal space that allows us to wander and drift in a dimension we like to describe as therapeutic and intimate, where reality slows down and time dissolves. There, within the vastness of the mind\u2019s fascinating activity, consciousness shifts state and draws us into a duality of depth and lightness.  <\/p><p><strong><span class=\"TextRun SCXW8305584 BCX0\" lang=\"IT-IT\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW8305584 BCX0\"><b>At Orticolario 2026. <br\/>What emotions or feeling you hope people experience when they encounter your work?<\/b><\/span><\/span><\/strong><span class=\"TextRun SCXW8305584 BCX0\" lang=\"IT-IT\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW8305584 BCX0\"><br><\/span><\/span><span class=\"TextRun SCXW8305584 BCX0\" lang=\"IT-IT\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW8305584 BCX0\">The viewer is transported into another dimension, suspended between dream and reality. The work embrace, and the beams of light filtering through guide the gaze toward the central sculpture, an unreachable focal point\u2014almost tangible, yet impossible to touch. Every detail creates a sense of depth and disorientation: one feels muffled, gently touched, immersed in a suspended environment. The perception can be light and poetic, or unsettling, almost like a nightmare, leaving the viewer free to interpret the experience according to their own emotions and imagination    <\/span><\/span><\/p><p><strong><span class=\"TextRun SCXW8305584 BCX0\" lang=\"IT-IT\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW8305584 BCX0\">If your project were music, what would it be?<\/span><\/span><\/strong><span class=\"LineBreakBlob BlobObject DragDrop SCXW8305584 BCX0\"><strong><span class=\"SCXW8305584 BCX0\"> <br><\/span><\/strong><\/span>Elegy for the Arctic by Ludovico Einaudi. A handful of piano notes\u2014slow, sparse, and suspended\u2014emerge from silence as if they were rising from an unseen depth. It is not music that leads, but music that envelops: creating a sense of suspension, of time stretched and softened, as if one were immersed in a fluid, muffled space.   <\/p><p><strong>Five words that you closely associate with the concepts of dream and illusion<\/strong><br\/>Evanescent, suspended, ethereal, abyssal, floating.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-swiper-button elementor-swiper-button-prev\" role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" aria-label=\"Previous\">\n\t\t\t\t<svg aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"e-font-icon-svg e-eicon-chevron-left\" viewBox=\"0 0 1000 1000\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\"><path d=\"M646 125C629 125 613 133 604 142L308 442C296 454 292 471 292 487 292 504 296 521 308 533L604 854C617 867 629 875 646 875 663 875 679 871 692 858 704 846 713 829 713 812 713 796 708 779 692 767L438 487 692 225C700 217 708 204 708 187 708 171 704 154 692 142 675 129 663 125 646 125Z\"><\/path><\/svg>\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-swiper-button elementor-swiper-button-next\" role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" aria-label=\"Next\">\n\t\t\t\t<svg aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"e-font-icon-svg e-eicon-chevron-right\" viewBox=\"0 0 1000 1000\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\"><path d=\"M696 533C708 521 713 504 713 487 713 471 708 454 696 446L400 146C388 133 375 125 354 125 338 125 325 129 313 142 300 154 292 171 292 187 292 204 296 221 308 233L563 492 304 771C292 783 288 800 288 817 288 833 296 850 308 863 321 871 338 875 354 875 371 875 388 867 400 854L696 533Z\"><\/path><\/svg>\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"swiper-pagination\"><\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-3103f0e e-con-full e-flex e-con e-parent\" data-id=\"3103f0e\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-e-type=\"container\">\n\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-4b3b00c e-con-full e-flex elementor-invisible e-con e-child\" data-id=\"4b3b00c\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-e-type=\"container\" data-settings=\"{&quot;animation&quot;:&quot;fadeIn&quot;,&quot;background_background&quot;:&quot;classic&quot;}\">\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-6e3b6d1 e-con-full e-flex elementor-invisible e-con e-child\" data-id=\"6e3b6d1\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-e-type=\"container\" data-settings=\"{&quot;animation&quot;:&quot;fadeIn&quot;}\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-efa4765 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"efa4765\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>[BIO]<\/p><p><span class=\"TextRun SCXW170517439 BCX0\" lang=\"IT-IT\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW170517439 BCX0\">Roberto Ducoli was born in Erba in 1976. <\/span><\/span><\/p><p><span class=\"TextRun SCXW170517439 BCX0\" lang=\"IT-IT\" data-contrast=\"auto\"><span class=\"NormalTextRun SCXW170517439 BCX0\">Since 1996, he has been a founder and partner of Il papavero blu, a studio that designs and creates gardens, installations, and floral events.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"EOP SCXW170517439 BCX0\" data-ccp-props=\"{}\"> <\/span><\/p><p>Over the years, Il papavero blu has taken part in Orticolario with various installations and creative spaces. Among the most recent are Musa Ventosa (2019), Infantia Mors Fabula (2022), and Amniotico (2023).  <\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-2f21e83 e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-parent\" data-id=\"2f21e83\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-e-type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-85669b4 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"85669b4\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>\u201c<span data-contrast=\"auto\">Each project is conceived as an experience that can be traversed and inhabited, in which the viewer can enter without feeling led toward a single interpretation. We believe that art should not impose itself, nor assert itself as an absolute truth. On the contrary, it must leave space\u2014space for doubt, projection, and the viewer\u2019s personal memory.   <\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-904d419 elementor-hidden-desktop elementor-hidden-tablet elementor-hidden-mobile e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-parent\" data-id=\"904d419\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-e-type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-f6259ba elementor-align-right elementor-widget elementor-widget-button\" data-id=\"f6259ba\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"button.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-button-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<a class=\"elementor-button elementor-button-link elementor-size-sm\" href=\"#\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-button-content-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-button-text\">Read the next interview &gt;&gt;<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-0e201bf elementor-widget elementor-widget-spacer\" data-id=\"0e201bf\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"spacer.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-spacer\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-spacer-inner\"><\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&lt;&lt; Apnea, a project by Roberto Ducoli [a few questions] How did your story begin?The story of Il papavero blu was born from the encounter between two complementary visions: imagination and matter, line and earth. 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